The Punkster will be happy to know that I have finally gotten around to doing her tag on how feminism has changed my life.
Just to make my position very clear, I'm starting off with the Wikipedia definition of feminism.
"Feminism is a diverse collection of social theories, political movements and moral philosophies, largely motivated by or concerned with the experiences of women. Most feminists are especially concerned with social, political and economic inequality between men and women (in the context of it being to the disadvantage of women); some have argued that gendered and sexed identities, such as "man" and "woman", are socially constructed. Feminists differ over the sources of inequality, how to attain equality, and the extent to which gender and gender-based identities should be questioned and critiqued. In simple terms, feminism is the belief in social, political and economic equality of the sexes, and the movement organised around the belief that gender should not be the pre-determinant factor shaping a person's social identity, or socio-political or economic rights."
I believe in social, political and economic equality of the sexes. I also believe that anyone else who does is merely sane. It's pretty intuitive to expect that women should have the same basic rights as men. And you don't have to be a feminist to be pissed off at how badly women are treated in Saudi Arabia. Any normal woman/man should be outraged.
I don't hate men. I don't blame men for any residual disparity that might still exist between the sexes. I don't believe that I am a victim of 'The Patriarchy'. And I certainly don't believe that gender is a social construct. Man-hating lunatics with victim complexes are every bit as stupid as Bible-thumping anti-abortionists who advocate turning the other cheek when abused by their dear husbands.
And most sane people, feminist or otherwise, do not espouse the above views. Which brings me to this: What's the sane alternative to feminism? There is none. So my reluctance to classify myself as a feminist really stems from semantics. You might call it feminism, whereas I just call it common sense.
It's exceedingly difficult to try to attribute societal changes to any driving force, be it feminism or the inevitable intellectual evolution of society. Here are five ways my life may have differed if it hadn't been for feminism.
1. Every career option is open to me. It would be a bummer if I wanted to be an archaeologist, but couldn't, just because of my sex. I often remind myself that this was a real problem in the first half of the twentieth century.
2. I don't have to dress like a man and look like a man to be taken seriously. And I'm not going to either. I don't have to sacrifice my femininity for a career in a male dominated field.
3. I can wear what I want, and expect not to get raped. Because legally, rape is rape, whether you're wearing a miniskirt or a burqa. This works in most civilized nations, at least in theory.
4. Better sex. Because when you realize that even good girls have sexual needs, it's easier to communicate your desires to your partner.
5. A free lunch for women in my rather male-dominated field of study, courtesy the department. Because women need to talk, and whining about girlstuff is not wholly appropriate conversation material in mixed company.
But there is a downside to it though. My advisor is new, and needed help with moving some equipment around. Naturally, he expected his grad students to help. The real reason that grad students exist is so they can legally do menial labor in exchange for a graduate stipend that's well below minimum wage.
So naturally, he expected me to carry as much as his two other students, male, and twice my size. And what's more interesting is that I would have been REALLY offended if he'd said, 'Oh, maybe you should just let us handle the heavy stuff.'! Yeah, thanks a lot, feminism, because my arms hurt so much that night that I seriously considered chopping them off.
And here's the part where I ask you for your opinion. Assuming you've heard Jack Straw's recent comments on the burqa, do you think that in a (relatively) free society, people should have the freedom to subjugate their women?
I've heard the argument that the veil doesn't oppress, it liberates. It's hard to see how exactly that works considering the fact that most countries/families that enforce the veil are also quite likely not to be shining examples of gender equality.
While it seems unconstitutional to deny a person the right to follow his/her religious edicts, is it alright to allow a family to pressurize their 16 year old daughter to cover herself up from head to toe?
And to those who choose not to wear the veil, are they seen as less chaste than those who do wear the veil? I believe the answer to that question is yes. So how voluntary is it, really, when your choices are to either to
a) wear the veil and be respected, or
b) don't wear the veil and be like 'those loose western women' who don't deserve respect anyway.
So, what do you think?
Saturday, November 18, 2006
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Mediocretes, I'm shocked at your scant respect for me! It's Dr. Slut! How many times do I have to remind you of that? And all fours? Aren't we optimistic? What has experience taught us about that kind of optimism, sweetheart?
totally agree with you on the definition of feminism..speaking of which i still have my tag to do *gulp*
i dont really know how the veil liberates, unless you're a woman who's fighting to wear it (as opposed to being pushed into it)..then i assume that gives you the freedom to make your own choice about it..
*shrugs*
oh heres the safe answer that usually gets me the best grades - 'yes and no':P
nice post =)
I think in the case of the veil arument, as in any situation really, what is important is the freedom of choice. If I choose to wear the veil it is my business, just as it is if I do not wear it. That there are stereotypes and judgements passed in either case is sad. I think that it is probably more difficult for women in traditional Islamic societies to actually cast of the veil, which is why it seems more oppresive.
The case of Turkey is interesting where people are actually taking to wearing the veil to make a political statement aainst the kind of secularism that the country has seen over the past few decades.....
no easy answer is there?
What do I think? I think you're gorgeous!
Some places the girls actually expect to be put in place, because that's what they've been made to believe. Brainwashing is a very powerful tool. What about dowry cases, when the ma-in-law burns the bride, kinda pathetic isn't it?
Some of your points still do not hold true in many places, like no.3 and to a certain extent no.4. I remember a rape acquittal because the victim's jeans were too tight ( check out Anna Kurien's comment here ).
I think it takes a real sadist to expect certain behaviour of women and people of other races/castes simply because they are so. If I want something to lord over, I'll get a pet.
erm..is that profile pic your image? What do I think? Aha.
Jagshemash Raindrop, Bravo! I haven't read such a sensible post in a long time (not that I read too many blogs):-)
I agree with you that context influences choice, and that someone who wears the jilbab may not quite be doing it out of her own effing free will, when that will is influenced by so many 'ifs/if nots'. However, as unpalatable as it is, I also must accept that some will actually do it in a genuinely independent manner, as Szerelem pointed out.
I am fresh from a conference where we went hammer and tongs at this and other issues with an allstar team of luminaries, and some of the what I'm going to say is definitely influenced by that.
My problem with the veil debate is with it's timing and triggers. Jack Straw's was a naked attempt to to divert attention from the failures in Iraq, a growing public realization that much of the problems in the Middle-East has been the result of centuries of meddling by white men and that radical Islam was fostered for many years by men like Jack Straw and the regimes they have propped up. The crudest thing to do when you're getting exposed is to turn round at the people who are partly responsible for exposing you and say, 'See, they make their women wear the jilbab, they are bad.' Hey bastard, you just killed a few hundred thousand women who were wearing veils over the past two years. Not to mention their kids.
Secondly, if change has to be lasting, it has to be effected from within. Outsiders pointing fingers and saying, 'You change now!' will only lead to ghettoisation of minds and entrenchment of attitudes. It may also, like in Turkey, have the opposite effect. Imagine how we would feel if some stupid white Brits with bloodstained histories of rape and imperial exploitation turned round and said, 'Caste is bad, change it now!'
And finally, to quote one of the speakers, 'Half my students wear jeans that are falling of their bums, so that I can almost see their arseholes when they bend down, so who am I to comment on the one student who wears a jilbab?'
You did the tag! Woot!
A question:
Do you think that a Muslim woman's decision to wear the hijab has more to do with defining her identity in the western world than an overt display of religiosity or opression (or all three)?
Ive spoken to a lot of second generation and third generation Muslim women at my university and frankly they seem to be divided on this issue as well.
So answers are welcome.
:)
this is a first, agreeing to an article on feminism....
For some, feminism is the freedom to choose an education either in Arts, or in Math. And for some others, it's the freedom to choose life, or death.
Men who argue that a veil doesn't oppress, but 'liberates', are religious nuts of the highest order. These are the same fucktards who see logic in shit like this. And women who fight for the veil are either illiterate-ignorants, or fat bitches. (No, I don't have any respect for fat people whose 'fat' isn't because of a disease)
And I don't get this whole 'male-dominated field' thing - unless you're talking about something like construction work. I'm in Computer Science (NOT Information Technology - which is for wussies) where there's absolutely no sex-based discrimination. But even then the male-to-female ratio is something like 50:1. It's definitely not because women don't have the required grey matter. It's because somebody created these 'pink fields' for women, which happen to be somewhat less difficult than the fields of Science or Math. I'm not looking for an argument here, just pointing out that it has very little to do with 'domination', but more to do with choice.
It's good to know that you're not a Man-hating lunatic ;).
szerelem, thank you. :) I agree with you completely. No one has the right to either force a woman to wear the veil, or take away her right to wear one. This issue has been politicized to such an extent that it seems to be little more than using women's rights to justify possible discrimination against a certain religion.
drnken master, absolutely! Brainwashing, in my opinion, is what makes some women demand the right to wear the burqa. Some genuinely believe that it is expected of them. Just as some women in the west believe that they should 'obey' their husbands. Thanks for thaat link. That's a little disturbing..
I'm not sure a cat is the kind of animal that lends itself to lording over. Some dogs are, but not mine. Which brings me to another question: If you're cleaning its poop, are you REALLY lording over it? :)
anonymous, i know i'm paying you to say that, but thank you anyway babe. :)
imhunt, yeah. That's a pic my boyfriend took and added effects to. He hated my old profile pic. :)
nevermind, jagshemash! And thank you!:)
The west wants a debate about religion, and this is how it gets it. Blame a certain religion for denying women basic rights. No religion has a monopoly on misogynistic ideas, and anyone who claims otherwise is just deluded/ill-informed.
Yes, it's human nature. Accuse someone of beng ugly and they're not going to say 'Oh, I'm sorry. I think I'll get cosmetic surgery just to please you. ' No, they're just going to punch you in the nose and tell you to deal with it.
The west is as hypocritical as the east. And what's worse is that it is blinded at the moment by its economic success of the past few centuries.
punkster, that's an excellent question. My answer is a cop-out. Varying degrees of all three, depending on the situation. Is it about being defiant about their choice to be submissive? Maybe it's just a strict adherence to rules that some claim are ambiguous, and others claim are as clear as day. Here are my own observations thoough: Friends of mine who came from very oppressive faamilies tended to wear the veil. They also said they wore it out of their own free will. And friends who came from more liberal families tended to shun the veil altogether.
Shabana Azmi made some recent statements about how the veil is NOT necessary to be a good Muslim. Now there's another interesting debate. :)
rossoneri, thanks for your comment. I think most feminists are very reasonable, sensible people. But they often get a bad rap because of their more extreme sisters.
Dodo, thanks for the link. It's amazing that anyone can think like that.
And as for male-dominated field, I simply mean a field where men are in a majority. There are female-dominated fields as well. As to your implication that 'pink' fields were created for women, remember that you're talking about cognitive psychology, biology, linguistics etc. These are hardly 'pink', and they were certainly not 'created' just so women who wanted degrees could actually earn them. The world's about more than just science and math. :)
Women tend to be more conscientious than men, and usually work harder. So laziness isn't what drives women to choose non-math/science fields, it's natural ability. Some things come easier to women than men, and vice versa.
thats my two worthless bit in the debate
http://aprofessionalwhiner.blogspot.com/2006/11/i-was-cribing-about-this-somewhere.html
Scritch, we always love what you have to say :).
scritch, I'd read that and was going to comment on it, when I realized that Mediocretes has a crappy ass keyboard, and typing more than a few sentences on it is impossible. I miss my keyboard. It's not as cool and high tech, but it actually works.
And we DO love what you have to say. You and Mediocretes are EXACTLY alike. I've read some of Leo's old posts where he tries to censor you on the comment section. I do that to Mediocretes all the time. :)
Dr Slut... hmmm that has a nice kinky sound to it!!
nice essay... keep diggin
So my reluctance to classify myself as a feminist really stems from semantics. You might call it feminism, whereas I just call it common sense.
My point exactly!
I just hate the way feminism has become such an abused term nowadays. Everyone's a feminist without understanding even the basics of it! And more often than not, they're the ones responsible for messing it up completely!
nice post, and a corollary salute to a well-balanced mind behind what your new photo makes clearer is a very pretty face.
it does slightly disturb me that I'm like mediocretes, although I cant recall Leo censoring me that much.
but there was one post where I deleted all my own comments being highly bored & jobless at the time...
my sympathise about the keyboard I'm on a similar one right now. The keys are so small [the sceen is also 10 inches] my fat fingers constantly hit others simultaneously.
why the hell havent you updated dammit.
this phd stuff cant be keeping you THAT busy.
UPDATE DAMMIT!
way to go girl!!!!:-)
Finally a good post on feminism which does not make u squirm ur face...atta girl!
Sac, heh. Mediocretes took this pic, and insisted that I use it.
Scritch, deny it all you like. :)
If you can paint with those fingers, then I'm pretty sure the keyboard's made for 6 yr olds.
Mahima, I took a break, Mediocretes kept me busy. ;)
Ekta, thanks. :) When do you plan to start blogging again?
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